This is important. Mary Jane Watson performs in theatre, but this applies to women in any other occupation also.
Earlier this year I switched xml feeds for the Crawlspace podcast. It’s been a slow process but I’m trying to add all the early files. I have 90 files to add to get every episode online. It took me…
This is a link to several podcasts, epicode 108 of which includes an interview with Joe Quesada in 2010 around the time One Moment in Time was released.
It’s been a while since I heard the episode, but what’s interesting in listening to the interview is that a few things struck me from what he was saying, how he was saying them and when you read between the lines of those things.
I’m paraphrasing but Quesada said/implied things like MJ bringing wine round to Peter’s house is there because she’s still the party girl. And that because of that, and her love of dancing and partying, and enjoying her bachelorette party it was ‘totally inappropriate for the wife of Spider-Man’ (???????). He also made note of the implication that maybe Mary Jane slept with Bruce before her wedding.
He spoke about how the marriage was rushed and a stunt. Well, a stunt it might’ve been but that’s only something to criticise if it lacked creative merit and didn’t make sense when that wasn’t the case since it organically developed both Peter and MJ and made sense for where both characters had come from up until then. And when you look at that era leading up to the marriage Peter and MJ’s relationship had been heavily built up for a long time.
He said other things too, one of which was how at one point during the Wedding annual Peter wasn’t thinking about MJ, he was thinking about Gwen. This is something you’ve REALLY got to hear how he says this to get the full effect.
Of course Quesada also mentions how he was all for resurrecting Gwen in One More Day before being talked out of it and we also know (because he’s said so himself) that he began reading Spider-Man with the Drug Trilogy of ASM #96-98.
So with all this and the other stuff in the interview, a few things become clear or at least become strong possibilities.
Joe Quesada did not simply dislike the fact that Spider-Man was married, he had an out and out problem with Mary Jane herself, having a regressive and narrow minded view of her. Regressive and narrow minded because he didn’t see her as anything beyond the party girl but also because frankly he’s judging her negatively for being that and that such a thing is ‘inappropriate’ for being Spider-Man’s wife. Which to be frank…to me sort of comes off a bit like slut shaming to be honest.
And more than this…I think Quesada is a Gwen shipper. I’m dead serious, I think part of the reason he has a problem with Mary Jane is that he likes Gwen more and is sore that she died/that she didn’t wind up with Peter. Given that he was reading BEFORE Gwen died and that he wanted to bring her back, that Carlie Cooper (despite his words to the contrary) bore similarities to people’s perceptions of Gwen to an extent and his mention of how Peter was ‘thinking about Gwen’, I think this is a very strong possibility.
And if you need more convincing of the above consider this. In the Drug Trilogy Mary Jane acts like this:
which adversely affects Harry. Meanwhile Gwen is presented like this:
Hmm….a young kid’s very first impression of the two significant love interests for Spider-Man presents one character as an innocent and pure young maiden who sincerely loves Spider-Man and he loves her. And it presents the other character as the ‘immoral loose woman’, someone who flirts with her friend’s boyfriend even against his wishes and right in front of her ACTUAL boyfriend and thus ‘drives him to drugs’.
Golly gee whiz…I wonder if that impressionable young kid MIGHT develop a like for one of those ladies and a dislike of the other one?
So…yeah…Joe Quesada’s agenda against the marriage likely went beyond any kind of sincere creative feelings about Spider-Man. He is probably a Gwen shipper/MJ hater and that likely influenced his feelings against MJ and the marriage.
This isn’t me saying ALL fans of Gwen are like this, but nevertheless I think it was likely something which affects Quesada.
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Mary Jane from “What if Kraven the Hunter had killed Spider-Man?”
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #59 Writer: Stan Lee, Pencils: John Romita
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in Spiderman Noir MJ volunteered to fight in Spanish Civil War?
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